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- So I'm going to share a little
bit on some of the grading

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flexibility that the
Chancellor's Office is

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telling us and then also what
we don't have guidance on yet.

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But hopefully we will soon.

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So you'll notice that with
the grading flexibility,

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there's been a lot of questions
around what we can and can't

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do with grades.

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So we've had a lot of
faculty who are concerned.

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Can I give students
an incomplete?

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Should I be giving
students an incomplete?

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How are students
supposed to pass courses?

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How are students supposed to
finish courses that maybe we

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don't have the lab space for?

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And so there's been a
little bit of guidance

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from the Chancellor's Office.

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And this is all current
as of March 23rd.

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There has not been any
updates today March 24th.

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But I assume that
there will continue

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to be updates for
the rest of this week

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and in the foreseeable future.

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But as of March 23rd, this
information is current.

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So the Chancellor's
Office has given us

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some guidelines regarding what
they are calling the Emergency

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W. They've actually
given Chancellor Eloy

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Oakley emergency powers so he
can change Title V temporarily

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during this time to meet
the needs of the students.

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And so the big
change that he made

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is we are engaging in what's
called the Emergency W.

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So colleges no longer have
to explain why they're

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giving out Emergency Ws.

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We are just in a
time of emergency

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so we're going to do that.

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All that means is that
when students withdraw,

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they are going to
get an EW instead

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of a traditional
W. The EW does not

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count against their
attempts to take classes.

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It does not affect their GPA.

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And it does not affect
their academic progress.

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So if a student is taking
the course for a second time,

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if they get an EW
they'll still be

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able to take the course again.

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It will not hurt their
academic progress.

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So it won't eventually push them
into a probationary situation.

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Additionally, the
Chancellor's Office

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has allowed for colleges to
give full refunds to students,

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based on the EW.

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So if the student withdraws
and receives an EW,

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they can get a full
refund for this semester.

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The campus is doing
this two ways.

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The first is that
students can opt to have

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a check mailed to their home.

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Or they can keep the
credit on their account

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and apply it for
the next semester

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they attend at Cerritos.

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There will be a form up on the
admissions and records website,

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as well as the COVID-19
student facing web page.

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And then we'll eventually
put all this information

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up on the our remote teaching
resources Canvas shell as well.

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But there's just a
form that asks students

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to put their full name,
their student number,

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and verify their
address, and then

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tell us if they would
prefer the check mailed

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or the credit on account.

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So this is a student
initiated option.

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This is not something that--

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obviously if students
don't come into class

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and stop participating,
please give them

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the W. You giving
them a traditional W--

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the college will still go
in and change it to an EW

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so the student will
still receive the refund.

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And it will just get
mailed to their house.

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They won't have that option.

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But this is really a
student initiated move.

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We should not be giving
entire classes EWs.

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But instead you should--

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if students are withdrawing
individually or students

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stop attending class or stop
turning things in, make sure

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you reach out to them.

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But if there's no response
by the end of the semester,

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please make sure
to give them a W.

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And this is good from--

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essentially
backdating-- so students

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who have dropped between
March 10th and the end

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of the semester May
22nd will receive

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the EW instead of
the W. Is there

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questions on the Emergency W?

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- Yes.

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Sorry.

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- No.

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For sure.

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- So I'm hearing,
from what you're

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saying, that it's
best for us to wait

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to reach out to our students.

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Any of our students-- even
those who are not really--

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or who had maybe
stopped participating

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a little bit before this began.

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For us to reach
out to all of them,

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see if they are still
interested in participating,

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and if we don't hear from them,
give them the W at the end.

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Not now-- don't clear
our rosters now.

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Wait until the end?

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- Correct.

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I wouldn't clear your
roster at this moment

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just because it's been a
stressful time for all of us.

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Students are having
to move online.

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Students are worrying
about their jobs.

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Students are worried
about all sorts of things.

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So I'd really
recommend not clearing

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the roster right
now, but at least

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waiting I would say until April,
when we start registration

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for the summer term.

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I think that it's important
not to clear your rosters now

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even if they maybe weren't
participating at the full level

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right before all this happened
because things change--

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things shift.

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And it may be that
the student who

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wasn't able to come
to class is now

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able to participate
online or vice versa.

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But this communication
will go out to students

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so that they will see that if
they would like to withdraw,

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they could get a refund.

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So you may see some
kind of mass drops

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from students in
the next few weeks

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as they get this information,
and they and they kind

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of sort through it and decide
what they're going to do.

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But I wouldn't clearing
your roster just quite yet.

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- And likewise we
shouldn't necessarily

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tell students this is an option.

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We should wait until they get
this guidance from the college?

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- Yes, and this should
actually come out

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at the faculty senate meeting.

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So this forum was
finished as of today,

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and I believe they're
uploading it onto the web page.

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And it should be live as of
the morning of March 25, 2020.

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So I know that there
have been faculty

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who have been requesting this
information because students

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are asking.

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So I think that it's OK to tell
your students that this will

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be an option, and to guide
them to the COVID-19 web

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page for students.

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But let them know
that it probably

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won't be until tomorrow.

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So the other option that we've
heard a lot about from faculty

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are Incompletes.

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We would actually
say to minimize

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the number of Incompletes
you are giving out.

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Faculty who give
out Incompletes--

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you'll have to allow the
students back into your course

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or another course or into some
else's course to complete--

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Well, no I'm sorry.

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The Incomplete-- they'd have
to come back into your course.

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And they'd have to
complete the class.

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So really it would mean that
you'd have additional students.

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It's kind of pushed in to
your different courses, which

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can be an undue burden on you.

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But also we may not, depending
on seating or lab space,

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have the room for
those students.

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So at this time, we're
encouraging faculty to not

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give a lot of Incompletes.

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The cases that it
is appropriate for

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are the courses
that are undergoing

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a suspension of learning.

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These are courses that
have been identified

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as difficult to move online
or impossible to move online.

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At this point we have not
officially, as the district,

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identified those.

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But we will toward
the end of the week.

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And those courses
will have the option

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to give the entire
class the Incomplete

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if the student
choose to continue,

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or they can take the EW.

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But for your traditional
lecture type courses

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that were able to
go online, we'd

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really encourage not giving and
Incompletes unless it really

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is an extenuating
circumstance where

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the student has begged you to
please allow them to continue.

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They only have one more paper
or something to turn in.

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But for the most part, the
student having the ability

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to withdraw, earn
a refund, and not

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have it count against
their progress

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is the better option
at this point.

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Question on the Incompletes?

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So the other thing we've
also heard from faculty

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is that there are
several universities

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across the United across
the nation that are

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moving to a pass/fail model.

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And I've been asked, can we
move to a pass fail model?

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At this time we are not going
to move to the pass/fail model

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mostly because the Chancellor's
Office has kind of mentioned

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it.

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But for the most part, they're
saying that the pass/fail model

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is probably not a great idea for
the community college campuses

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because we have not heard from
our University system partners,

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whether it be CSU, UCs,
or private universities,

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if they will accept
pass/fail as credit.

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So an example of this is at
our college, we will accept--

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essentially you
can earn the credit

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like you've completed
the GE, but you won't

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earn the number of credits.

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So it won't apply.

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And students will have
to actually end up

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taking additional coursework
at the University.

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Additionally, there
are some campuses--

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there are some colleges
or universities

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that are highly
competitive or have

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highly competitive programs that
won't allow for the pass/fail

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because they are
looking at the GPA.

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And they don't want to have
that pass/fail on there.

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Students do have the option when
they enroll in your courses.

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If your course, based
on the curriculum,

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allows for pass/fail
as a grading option,

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they have the choice
to enroll in pass/fail.

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But that's a student's
personal choice

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and not mandated
by the district.

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So, at this time,
there's not really

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been any discussion
as a system to move

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to a pass/fail for this time.

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That could change.

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We're still pretty early on.

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There has been some discussion
amongst senate presidents

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about putting a
note on transcripts

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to indicate that this semester
was the COVID-19 emergency

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semester or something else to
indicate why more students may

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have been pass/fail or an EW.

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But at this time, a system
wide movement to pass/fail

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has not been initiated.

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Questions on that?

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No?

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- So there won't be
an option for students

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to switch to that now, even
if it's a student option.

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- At this time, no--

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the only exception
might be because we are

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right before that nine week--

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the second nine week's
session, those courses--

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because they
haven't started yet.

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The students may be able
to, but at this point

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I don't believe they can.

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So the other question
has been, what can I do--

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as an instructor, what
can I do to make sure

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that students' grades
are appropriate.

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And there has been no guidance
from the Chancellor's Office

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on that.

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But some of the
practices we're seeing

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from other colleges
across the state

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are that faculty are
simply just minimizing

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the number of points that
their assignments are worth.

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They're making them
very low stakes.

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They're adjusting
the grading scale

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and saying, if you complete
up to this many points,

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it's worth an A. If you
complete up to this many points,

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it's a B as opposed to saying
a 90% and 80%, et cetera.

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The real key takeaway is
that the grading system is

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your domain as an instructor.

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You choose your grading
system and within reason.

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But you choose the
grading system.

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And you kind of get to choose
how to be flexible with that.

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But we are definitely
encouraging as much flexibility

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as you believe is doable
within your course

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because we have students
who may not have technology

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or may not have ever
been an online student

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or maybe dealing
with other things.

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And so we'd really encourage you
to look at where the points can

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be adjusted, where we
might be able to take away

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assignments, or add you know
little assignments for people

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to build up points.

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But really just
thinking about what

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can be done to maximize
student learning

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in a remote environment.

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But at this time,
unfortunately, there

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has not been best practice
guidelines on that.

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Are there any questions?

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I was hoping to
have more for you.

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But unfortunately in the
Chancellor's Office--

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is slowly rolling things out.

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- I actually think
this is a lot though.

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This is the kinds
of things that we

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need to know as we are building
out our new syllabi right now.

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I mean I changed
my entire syllabus.

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I changed the point
system in my class.

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And everything
that you're saying

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is in line with the
changes that I've made.

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So I think this is important
information for faculty

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to know while they're deciding
how this is going to look.

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We tried to make it
clear this morning

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that moving into the next
nine weeks of our term

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is not just taking the
course you already had

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and making it an online course.

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It's more thinking
about the situation--

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thinking about what hardships
and challenges our students

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may have and trying to
develop the best way for them

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to meet your course
objectives in the most

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flexible and simplest way.

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So I think what the info you're
giving from the Chancellor's

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Office is in line
with that, I think.

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Good.

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- And I think the Chancellor's
Office understands

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at this point that there's not--

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we're in the middle of it.

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Right?

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And so there's not a lot
we can do retroactively

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to adjust for student
grading or ensuring

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that students are able
to complete or succeed

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with what they have.

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And so it really
is almost like we

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have to completely
redo our syllabi

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and attempt to remotely
teach what we would like

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to teach or think that
it's necessary to teach

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in the courses--

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that we may be losing a
lot of our original content

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because we don't know what
hardships our students

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are facing.

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And so the EW was
initiated just this week.

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And the Chancellor's
Office is actually

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allowing backdating to the
governor's announcement

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of an emergency,
which was March 4th.

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We said March 10th
because that's

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when my first
communication was sent.

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It was the first
communication that

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was sent to a large
constituency group.

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So there may be precedent
for the students

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if they withdrew prior to
March 10th but after March 4th.

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They may also be
eligible for the EW.

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But that would have to be
taken on a case by case basis.

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But I think recognizing that
this is such an emergency

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and being able to backdate it
several weeks has been huge

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because so much information has
come out in the last seven days

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that students' lives
have completely

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been flipped upside down.

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And so I think it's
important to allow them--

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if they felt anxious or
overwhelmed 10 days ago

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and they dropped their courses,
they can still receive the EW.

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- Thank you.

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I wanted to verify
something that

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might be useful to be on
this particular video.

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Linda and I were
talking this morning.

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A lot of teachers are
concerned about accessibility.

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This is my understanding-- that
unless it's a brand new class,

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we already have our
students identified.

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So for example, I
have one student who's

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deaf in one of my classes.

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So it's my responsibility to
make sure that my content is

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accessible for him.

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But in some of my other classes,
I don't have deaf students.

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So I'm still going to try to
make everything as accessible

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as I can as a best practice.

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But I don't need to worry
quite as much because this

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is an emergency.

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This is for right now.

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And that's not my
responsibility.

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Is that is that correct?

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- So, yes.

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The I think the chancellor
and the community college

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system in our
district and everyone

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would love everything to
be universally accessible.

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But I don't know--

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and the message is from both the
Chancellor's Office, the CBC,

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OEI, our district, and
our neighboring districts

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is-- try your best.

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And so you're correct.

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If you know who
your students are,

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you know where you may need to
make additional accommodations

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immediately.

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And then make sure
those are made

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as holistically as possible.

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But at the same time,
if you can't get--

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I know that the Chancellor's
Office, as well as

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our own media services,
are overwhelmed

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right now because
everyone is moving

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in to remote instruction.

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And so there is the lag
time in a lot of services

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for either captioning or
as a new remote instructor

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faculty may be struggling making
everything 100% accessible.

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And so the goal is do your best.

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But the assumption is that
there will be things that

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are not universally accessible.

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- Thank you so much.

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- You're welcome.

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Any other questions about
some of the grading stuff?

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- I think you're going
to make your meeting.

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- All right.

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I wish we had more
information, but this

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is the stuff that's been--

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or is the most recent, most
current, and as things change,

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we will update you.

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So right now the big
thing that we finally got

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is EWs so our students should
have access to that tomorrow.

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So thank you.

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- Thank you.

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- All right.

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Thank you all very much.

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- Take care.

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- Thanks, April.

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- Bye.

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- Have a good one.

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Bye.

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